The HOA Board has sent out an informational letter on “Town Square”. The letter discuses a proposal submitted to Morgan Creek LLC regarding changes to the golf course. It also addresses changes to the HOA Board. For those who have not signed up for access to that service the letter has been posted here:
Cover letter to owners 2018-11-28
The letter is self explanatory. As always, comments are welcome.
Why did we respond to the LLC’s deadline? The homeowners made it very clear we were not interested in making any financial contribution absent a fully disclosed financial condition of the golf course.
And, we should not be responding to a threat of litigation that has not even been filed. It’s easy to threaten litigation, much more difficult and expensive to pursue.
Finally, let them try to get the golf course entitled for development. If the golf course was the required open space for the existing development (as has been stated), they will not be able to get a development approved absent acquiring subsitute open space.
I suggest the HOA stop responding to threats and wait for the LLC to actually take some action.
I agree and stop supporting the clubhouse and golf course too until new owners are in place.
Might as well enjoy the clubhouse and GC while it is still here, because in my opinion there will be no new operator of the course but there will be development of the land after the course and clubhouse is shut down.
I am not an attorney but have some experience with litigation having owned a machinery company where every machine could kill someone. My point is that if the golf course owners choose to litigate without showing the financials so we can make informed decisions, then when our property values drop due to not having a golf course which was a reason for a lot of people to live here we should be able to sue them for damages . They are wanting financial help but not willing to give us the opportunity to understand their position.
Guess if you if you initiate a lawsuit claiming their action will cause a financial or potential financial loss, and they say they need money, then they will have to show all their books and financial worth.
Please do not assume the Board did not ask for financials.
I am sure they asked for them and if they were able to review them it would be under a tight NDA.
I remembered attending the HOA meeting few months ago. When it was asked “who is willing to give the money to golf club owner raise your hand. No one raised hand out of 150 people”. It was made very clear that we should not be putting any proposal for this issue until books are on the table to examine the situation nor we need to bring this topic for voting matter. Seems like someone in the board member has this as a personal agenda, so this thing is keep popping up again. Personally I would not give a dime to Golf club LLC. If we decide to fight against it, I am for in any contribution.
Are you prepared to see your home values decline? Are you prepared to see a chain link fence around the golf course while the golf course owners begin the development of homes? Are you prepared???
People who plan for the future are getting penalized. I am retired and cannot add one more bill to my budget. I already lost my initial Golf membership that I paid with escrow in 2004 when the economy changed in 2008. That was $20,000.00 just for fun? Give me a break! These are individual homes with different situations. Not every body can afford to pay for the golf course. This will put me under, and I think we will see people moving out. This was NOT in our documents that we signed! I do my part in the community, pay my bills on time and live within my means—please stay out of making decisions for homeowners. With the HOA, we pay our dues, we need generic things, we don’t need you even attempting to getting into our space and telling us if we might have to pay additional fees due to the golf course. I play golf, but this is just all wrong! The HOA has definitely gone over the boundaries of even considering making homeowners responsible for a deal gone bad at the golf course. I already paid my price, how many more times? Shame on Morgan Creek GC the first time, but shame on me the second time to fall for all of this again.
Unfortunately, you made a decision to join under a previous ownership that went under for financial reasons. While many of us do not play golf the current ownership is advising of a decrease in golf income. If you look throughout California and other states, Golf is collapsing in many areas. HOA’s are trying various methods of saving property values. Paying your HOA assessments does not preclude you from changes over the years to the property not owned by the homeowners. To find fault with the Board is without merit. These people are volunteers working within the State Regulations, County requirements, etc. There are over 580 homes in this community. A true vote would be mailed to each homeowner with ballots in accordance with State Requirements for HOA’s. Many of us are on a fixed income, our original purchase of a home in MC was based on a very different situation that what we are living in now…
In summary, HOA is negotiating on the homeowners behalf and can not share any details until something is ready to be put forward for a vote. What is the budget for legal expenses? Are homeowners going to get an additional assessment just to cover the cost over runs?
My money is on the LLC winning and the GC going bye bye and more homes being built, as if the thousands being built off PFE and Fiddyment are not enough. No golf, more traffic. What a complete disaster.
So what is the real reason llc is doing what you describe?
What the heck is going on? If the HOA is negotiating anything we are homeowners have a right to know what that is, not before it comes to a vote. We already said in a meeting over the summer we are not willing to pay additional fees. Didn’t they just buy another golf course in Arizona? So how is it they can afford that too? Why is the HOA spending money and time entertaining the golf course owners. What leverage do they have?
Why is the communication not being sent out in an email blast either? Now I have to log into the ‘town square’ to know what is going on? Who’s idea was this and why are we not notified?
There is no longer a mechanism for emails blasts. The Associa management company has a new system for homeowners to receive information. It is called Town Square. Homeowners must sign up for this application. That is the only method of receiving information. Information is distributed by the Associa Community Manager. The board meets once a month for executive meetings and every other month for homeowners meetings. Therefore, information is not provided on a daily or weekly basis. If there is no information received, nothing is available for posting. I understand that the board is also in the process of searching for a new management company. All of this is done by volunteers in connection with Associa. As I understand the community manager once again has resigned due to the work load in MC. Associa is filling in with another manager until a full time replacement is hired.
Can someone let us know how to get into this “town square” site? We have purchased one of the new villa homes being built and are interested in following the developments with the golf course. Surely the Board, all of them with the same concerns, are working towards the best resolution possible to this problem.. every one of them will experience decreased value to their homes if the course closes and will be impacted by further development, should that happen. give them a chance..it’s a tough job..thankless and unpaid!
I suggest you call Associa at (916) 676-0024. Someone there should be able to get you into Town Square. IMHO it is a difficult and unfriendly site to log in to and navigate but it is what they have chosen. We will continue to pass on updates for those who chose not to use it.
Call Becky at Associa and she will help you with the TownSq set up. Also set up your security settings on Dwelling Live, she can help with that too. 916-677-8314. TownSq will post the latest info and updates.
Call Becky at the Associa Management office. She is the contact person for most of the information to new home owners. 916-677-8314.
I do not think we should pay any subsidy to the golf course if he does not disclose his financials. Whatever subsidy we pay, may just go into his pocket instead of the golf course operation since it is a private company. We cannot monitor the use of the subsidy since he does not disclose the books. Some home owners suggest we can pay 50.00 a month and get a round of golf in return. The condition of the course is not worth 50.00 a round. Also what about the non-golfers? It will take a lot of effort and money to get approval to develop those lots. The home owners has input when the county votes on the development approval, so his threat may not come through. Without the golf course, I wonder if he can sell those lots to justify the effort and investment.
Didn’t the Board here us that we are not willing to pay a subsidy to Morgan Creek LLC unless they show their financials?? Are you kidding me – they are not deaf or stupid. Give me a break folks………..your repetitive carping at the Board is not helpful and downright ignorant in most instances. The Board must act in the best interests of the ENTIRE community, not just in the interest of those with the loudest voices. If they do not represent everyone, there is sure to be a lawsuit on the other side. And another thing, the community does not have the right to know everything in every single instance. There are many issues and circumstances that require confidentiality until the appropriate time arrives for full disclosure and transparency. Believe me, the Board has been listening to you, have you been listening to them? Or are you just too busy talking and repeating yourselves. Tired of it already!
Why there isn’t a new buyer ? I don’t understand
Google golf courses and obtain a history lesson on the golf industry. Golf courses are losing money… Not a good investment!
Can some one please comment regarding the increased HOA fees to $303 per month.
Increases costs to MC from the vendors to cover the new minimum wage increases, gas prices, increased water costs to the community, etc. Read the budget that was mailed and try to see where the money goes. It is not an easy read.
I have also received two bills today. One for $615 and other for $224. Not sure what is going on? I will be interested to know that too.
I do not believe you will find the answer here. Read your documents and then call the Associa Management Company.
We need to investigate what is going on with the fees. Why are our higher than ever community. Higher than Serrano higher than La Lagos. I have always thought there is funny business going on with the HOA’s This is ridiculous!
Funny business? Hardly, this is a community with many regulations imposed on by state, county and various other entities that the management company must comply with.
If comments are always welcome why are they being deleted? Curious why the censorship.